RE: Sundance 2012
Hello all! I wanted to share my thoughts on our Sundance 2012 show.
First of all, we played ALL NEW records. I'm enormously proud of us as a production company for that. The last time we accomplished such a feat was indeed two years ago, last time we were at Sundance, and many of those records went on to be refined into versions so good, we included them in RECollection. I think the same will prove true about last night's short films. Some of them are closer to "finished" than others, but I'd bet that most of them end up in some form or another on RECollection volume 2. I think we showed a pretty incredible range of both substance and style, while further establishing our unique voice as a creative collective. In my opinion, it was an entertaining, substantial and inspiring program of little movies. To everybody who collaborated on these records, you guys did a ton of excellent work, and to you (and us) I say, Bravo!
Also worth mentioning, (almost) all of the records were connected somehow to a unified theme of "independence." We played a bunch of little records explicitly addressing the theme from our "RE: INDEPENDENCE" collab, and most of the short films had more subtle connections to the theme. The only other time we managed to so thoroughly focus a show was our previous show last Halloween. I really like the structure a theme lends to an evening, and I'm looking forward to further developing this concept.
As we always do at our shows, we put together a variety of "live" moments to be RECorded right then and there, with the intention of RECording them, and then collaboratively refining those records into new stuff that we might use in future productions. We had a sing-a-long to Lights Off. We did readings of a few new tiny stories. We had several conversations regarding the evening's theme of Independence. And we performed and short a reading of an adaptation from Mark Twain's (public domain) novel, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer.
At all of our shows, some of the live moments work, and some of them don't work. I'll be the first to say, I don't think our reading of Tom Sawyer will likely result in a great short film. So it goes. Doing things like that is always a risk, and in order to achieve the successes, we can't be discouraged by the stuff that doesn't quite work. Gary Oldman's reading of Turnip Head, Latyrx's live remix of American Scrimp N Save, the scene between Neil Patrick Harris and me at the Fall Formal, the Little Red Riding Hood project -- all of these were just as risky as the Tom Sawyer reading. We had at least a half dozen live readings at various shows of the Wicked Witch tiny story that didn't quite work before Pamagotchi finally gave us what we needed to make a tiny film. And the conversations with audience members, those are always hit-and-miss, I think that's part of their charm, and our conversations Re: Independence were the same.
So, the show had its hits and misses. But I very much think that over-all, it was a grand success. The audience was hugely responsive. Even after the dip in energy during the Tom Sawyer reading, we got them back, as their applause for the "and a new earth" reprise was just about as strong as any over the course of a very effusive evening. The director of the Sundance Film Festival, Michael Cooper sat through the entire thing, which he never does, and was very complimentary after the show. The director of the board, Keri Putnam was also there (RECording on her blackberry!) and told me that hitRECord at Sundance was a great tradition she hoped would continue.
Now then, I'd like to address some responses to the show from the community who wasn't there. Before getting started though, I'd just like to say that I'm delighted to hear constructive criticism. But some of you have been not at all constructive with your remarks. Especially regarding the Tom Sawyer bit. Again, I admit it didn't work, so it goes. You've probably made some things that don't work too. How would you feel if somebody was as harshly negative towards your work as you have been to this? As I always say, I think it's really important to preserve our positive creative environment so that all of us feel safe to participate in our unconventionally vulnerable open collaborative process. There's plenty of other places on the internet you can talk like that. Please take it elsewhere. Now, to address the more substantial criticisms and questions...
There's been some questions regarding parts of the collaborative process happening in private. We talked about this a few weeks ago, and it really was something I tried to keep in mind. This is what happens. ALL of our projects are up on the site, and ANYBODY can contribute to them. That's why we call it OPEN collaboration. I certainly don't see everything that gets posted to the site in general, but for the specific collaborations we were working on towards Sudance, I think I saw pretty much every contribution. Sometimes, when we're on a tight deadline, when I see contributions that I think show a lot of potential, I will email that artist to encourage them to continue, and to do it quickly. This has more to do with the shortcomings of our website than anything. As y'all know all too well, our web-application is far from perfect. I can leave a public comment on somebody's record, but there's not (YET!) a great way to make sure the artist will see it quickly. So we email people. That's all that happens. AndyClift, Krrr, MattConley and five animators working on LRRH, Dr Gory, Marke, MusicInYourHead, MarieIv, TotallyJamie, these are the people with whom I communicated privately. But all of the substance of that communication was mirrored on the site. They publicly posted all of their iterative versions, so everybody saw the projects progressing through the exact same steps that I did, and had the opportunity to add to them, refine them, remix them, etc. Todd68976 built his "and a new earth" mix at the same time as Krrr was building his, and ultimately Krrr's final version used a bunch of what Todd had done. I publicly posted as many of my notes as I could to these artists as comments on their records. I'd say the process was pretty open, which isn't to say it can't improve. It can, and it will, especially as our software becomes a more efficient and organized tool. FractalDust made a good suggestion that I could have posted a video before the show breaking the news to everybody that we weren't gonna play LRRH. I think that's a good idea, and I will try to do more things like that..
There's been a lot of conversation regarding the live stream. Since posting my quick "morning-after" video yesterday, I've had a chance to watch the recorded version of the live stream, and I gotta say, I find it really dissatisfactory. We haven't done a live stream since our Vista shows last april, because to do it properly is a bigger undertaking than our little company can really handle presently. Sundance strongly wanted to do the live stream, and they said they would have a crew there to do it, multiple cameras and everything, so we thought we'd give it a shot. But I think they really blew it in two ways. First of all, they didn't plug into our video switcher -- they just pointed one of their cameras at the screen. This made the short films look awful. In Blue Dildo, for example, you couldn't even really make out Jamie's face half the time. You couldn't make out any of the details of MarieIv's excellent animations on Turnip Head or Strawberry Bootlaces, etc, etc, etc. Secondly, they didn't mic the audience at all. Our shows are extremely interactive, and this audience was particularly lively, and to see the show without hearing them is sorta like hearing only one side of a conversation, and it really detracts from the records when you can't hear the enthusiastic applause that followed them. I understand it's fun to gather together and chat about the show, but to be honest, my priority is to present our community's work in the best light. If/when we're able to put together a live stream that meets my standards of quality, I see the upsides to it. But that's a big undertaking, and Sundance wasn't even able to accomplish it. You can absolutely see the show in its entirety through the records. We shoot the whole thing on at least one camera, and we post those, plus the soundboard audio. Our Sundance show records will be up soon. And that's not to mention the records posted by everybody else at the show. I think we could improve by consistently posting set-lists of which records we played in what order, what live bits came when, etc, and I'm certainly open to suggestions of how else we can make our shows more accessible to our world-wide community. But in the end, no proxy will ever come close to really being there. That's live art.
There's also been some questions regarding how I pick which records we screen. Well, it's hard to describe, and there's no quantifiable system to it. It's just how I feel. And that's how I want it to be. I have absolutely no intention of our productions ever being put together by counting votes or anything like that. There's other collaborative art on the internet that is more democratic in that way. That's never been hitRECord, and I don't think it ever will be. I pick what jobs I take as an actor the same way. Some actors count box office of a director's previous efforts, consider advertising budgets, and work with their representatives to pick their roles. I don't do it that way. But I do pay a lot of attention to the opinions of this community. Sometimes I agree, and sometimes I disagree. Sometimes I choose to go against popular opinion, and sometimes I am swayed by it. To me, that's what a good director does.
Whew! That was long. Thanks for reading! And again thanks to everybody who participated in our Sundance production this year. It was a deeply meaningful experience for me, creatively, professionally, and personally, and I'm grateful for such a cool community of artists to share it with.
thanks again <3
J
and some responses...
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librarygirl6,
i think you're absolutely right that you should have been credited for the Lydia video. And you will be in the future. Also, thank you for pointing out the missing credit for the music in wirrow's record. Marke and Dr. Gory are gonna fix that.
It's not their fault though, it's mine. I apologize for that mistake. You were indeed a crucial part of the process of making that video come together. And in my conversation with Gory, who edited the screened version, I referenced your video several times. It's an error, and it sucks, and I really am sorry.
thank you for pointing it out to us in a professional tone. we'll fix it.
another thing you bring up.. The credits being divided into a finite list of names and then a number of contributions is a TEMPORARY choice we make. I understand that it's frustrating. Trust me, I'd like to credit everybody. And we do, just not as fast as I wish.
On RECollection, everyone is credited. However, many of the records that appear on RECollection had different versions screened at Sundance 2010, using the same crediting format -- a limited list of contributors, and then a number of total contributions.
We've done it this way at Sundance twice now for one reason.
We are definitely finishing things at the very last minute, and we just don't have time to complete the mammoth task of gathering every resource, verifying every contribution, titling them, editing them into the video, etc.
there's another discussion to be had about doing things at the last minute, which has upsides, but also clearly has downsides. Metaphorest brought that up, and i think it's something well worth discussing.
Lastly, I'd like to say something I hope you'd know anyway. My mistake is a mistake, and I never meant to disrespect you or any hitRECord artist.
thanks
J
i think you're absolutely right that you should have been credited for the Lydia video. And you will be in the future. Also, thank you for pointing out the missing credit for the music in wirrow's record. Marke and Dr. Gory are gonna fix that.
It's not their fault though, it's mine. I apologize for that mistake. You were indeed a crucial part of the process of making that video come together. And in my conversation with Gory, who edited the screened version, I referenced your video several times. It's an error, and it sucks, and I really am sorry.
thank you for pointing it out to us in a professional tone. we'll fix it.
another thing you bring up.. The credits being divided into a finite list of names and then a number of contributions is a TEMPORARY choice we make. I understand that it's frustrating. Trust me, I'd like to credit everybody. And we do, just not as fast as I wish.
On RECollection, everyone is credited. However, many of the records that appear on RECollection had different versions screened at Sundance 2010, using the same crediting format -- a limited list of contributors, and then a number of total contributions.
We've done it this way at Sundance twice now for one reason.
We are definitely finishing things at the very last minute, and we just don't have time to complete the mammoth task of gathering every resource, verifying every contribution, titling them, editing them into the video, etc.
there's another discussion to be had about doing things at the last minute, which has upsides, but also clearly has downsides. Metaphorest brought that up, and i think it's something well worth discussing.
Lastly, I'd like to say something I hope you'd know anyway. My mistake is a mistake, and I never meant to disrespect you or any hitRECord artist.
thanks
J
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LilacAmy,
You're right, we're egregiously failing to live up to our end of our contributor-payment system. To be honest, we've had a lot of attempts and failures at tackling this in an efficient way, and so we're ridiculously behind. It's easily the biggest failure we've had yet as a company.
I've been wanting to address it properly, mostly by being able to present a specific solution that was already working. But we haven't gotten it working. That's gone on too long.
With Sundance out of the way, it is certainly at the top of our list of things to do. In the near future, I hope to present a system integrated with the website that will automate a lot of the massive amounts of leg-work it takes to get this done.
Anyway, like I said, I've been planning on how to formally address this, and doing it in the middle of this conversation thread isn't the best way. But you raised the issue very eloquently and fairly, so I wanted to respond with this for now.
thanks
J
You're right, we're egregiously failing to live up to our end of our contributor-payment system. To be honest, we've had a lot of attempts and failures at tackling this in an efficient way, and so we're ridiculously behind. It's easily the biggest failure we've had yet as a company.
I've been wanting to address it properly, mostly by being able to present a specific solution that was already working. But we haven't gotten it working. That's gone on too long.
With Sundance out of the way, it is certainly at the top of our list of things to do. In the near future, I hope to present a system integrated with the website that will automate a lot of the massive amounts of leg-work it takes to get this done.
Anyway, like I said, I've been planning on how to formally address this, and doing it in the middle of this conversation thread isn't the best way. But you raised the issue very eloquently and fairly, so I wanted to respond with this for now.
thanks
J
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Metaphorest,
Hello Ms. Daly! Thanks for your comment, I think you raise some really good points quite well, so lemme have a go at responding.
Crazy deadlines.
I think Sundance is a good occasion to get a whole bunch of projects up and going. As I mentioned earlier, almost all of the stuff we screened at Sundance 2010 was refined (often quite a lot) before being published in RECollection. I did set some very demanding goals for us. And actually, I think we achieved those goals pretty well. To be honest, I must respectfully disagree with you and say, I don't think the stuff we screened came off rushed. Obviously, everybody who contributed KNEW the stuff was made quickly (incredibly so!) but I don't think the audience felt that way. As I said before, I'm really proud of the short films we screened, and I think they played great.
Also, I think it's worth noting that we weren't starting from scratch with a month to go. Strawberry Bootlaces began its development half a year ago. Same with Turnip Head. Blue Dildo started in September. Little Red Riding Hood started on Halloween even though it didn't really get cooking until I started doing hitRECord full time in January. The reprise of 'and a new earth' was started about a month out, which is somewhat quick, but fairly reasonable for a video of its scope. Lights Off episode 2 was crazy fast, that I'll admit, I'm actually surprised we got that into a screenable form, and it mostly just goes to show how amazingly quick and excellent the contributions were.
I also think deadlines for a live show are different than deadlines for a production like RECollection. We took our sweet time getting that thing done, carefully attending to every little detail. I like the idea of approaching live art differently than that, where it's a bit more vulnerable, a bit riskier, and certainly more fleeting.
And one more thing about deadlines, setting them in the near-future is a great way to boost productivity. I don't know, it is for me anyway. One of the things I like most about hitRECord is the short turn-around times. In my other jobs, I work on projects that take years to complete. It feels great to make things so quickly and have them in front of an audience like that. It also feels great that now we have all the time in the world to refine the great work we did this January.
You said you think we could have screened more records. Well, firstly, we were asked to do a 75-minute show, so I put together a program of short films that would fit that time allotment. Also, I made the choice to play only new stuff, and I thought that was a cool part of the night. I think we screened the very best of what we've made as a community since RECollection. Of course, that's a 100% subjective, and as I've said, it really does come down to my own opinion. As for other new things that could have been screened, specifically Little Red Riding Hood, I think LRRH is going to make an excellent short film once we do some more work on it. But it wasn't ready for that audience. They wouldn't have appreciated it, no matter how much I said it was a work in progress. They will though, one day!
As far as more constructive criticism for artists' contributions. I do my best. I could totally do more. But I also can't give constructive criticism to every contribution. That's the nature of this open-collaborative process. So I offer constructive criticism when I see potential for a record to blossom into something I'd really love. I also pay a lot of attention to how artists receive my comments, and whether I feel they're able to convert them into productive changes. "Taking a note" is a skill in and of itself. And yes, when certain artists do it well -- MattConley, MarieIv, Krrr, AndyClift, Day_Glo, and yourself -- to name just a few, I'm more likely to wanna engage with those artists. I know that's disappointing for artists to whom I don't offer constructive criticism. That disappointment is not something I can fix. All I can offer is genuine encouragement to keep trying. I've certainly received a TON of that exact disappointment over the years in my creative life, and I think a great deal of my success comes down to simple persistance.
Now as far as being more communicative in a general way, regarding what's going on with the company and stuff. I have indeed been falling short on that lately. Especially regarding the payment of contributing artists, which I mentioned earlier in this thread, and I plan on addressing more thoroughly soon. I really am sorry for that, and I do intend to make it right.
I won't offer any excuses. I'll only repeat, I'm doing my best. I think we're gradually building something that is generally going in the right direction. I certainly intend on continuing to refine everything about this production company. I want to keep making it better. That's why I do appreciate constructive criticism, and I don't think it's fair of you to say I've been dismissive. Obviously, I won't agree with everybody's points, and yes, my taste is subjective. But I will try to make myself and this company better at receiving input from the community and turning that input into productive changes.
Lastly I'd like to offer you my most sincere thanks for all of your work with hitRECord. Your contributions as an artist over the years are becoming a beautiful canon of their own, and all the while you've remained a model member of this community.
And in thneed, allow me an encore of gratitudinousness from the bottle of my art.
<3
Hello Ms. Daly! Thanks for your comment, I think you raise some really good points quite well, so lemme have a go at responding.
Crazy deadlines.
I think Sundance is a good occasion to get a whole bunch of projects up and going. As I mentioned earlier, almost all of the stuff we screened at Sundance 2010 was refined (often quite a lot) before being published in RECollection. I did set some very demanding goals for us. And actually, I think we achieved those goals pretty well. To be honest, I must respectfully disagree with you and say, I don't think the stuff we screened came off rushed. Obviously, everybody who contributed KNEW the stuff was made quickly (incredibly so!) but I don't think the audience felt that way. As I said before, I'm really proud of the short films we screened, and I think they played great.
Also, I think it's worth noting that we weren't starting from scratch with a month to go. Strawberry Bootlaces began its development half a year ago. Same with Turnip Head. Blue Dildo started in September. Little Red Riding Hood started on Halloween even though it didn't really get cooking until I started doing hitRECord full time in January. The reprise of 'and a new earth' was started about a month out, which is somewhat quick, but fairly reasonable for a video of its scope. Lights Off episode 2 was crazy fast, that I'll admit, I'm actually surprised we got that into a screenable form, and it mostly just goes to show how amazingly quick and excellent the contributions were.
I also think deadlines for a live show are different than deadlines for a production like RECollection. We took our sweet time getting that thing done, carefully attending to every little detail. I like the idea of approaching live art differently than that, where it's a bit more vulnerable, a bit riskier, and certainly more fleeting.
And one more thing about deadlines, setting them in the near-future is a great way to boost productivity. I don't know, it is for me anyway. One of the things I like most about hitRECord is the short turn-around times. In my other jobs, I work on projects that take years to complete. It feels great to make things so quickly and have them in front of an audience like that. It also feels great that now we have all the time in the world to refine the great work we did this January.
You said you think we could have screened more records. Well, firstly, we were asked to do a 75-minute show, so I put together a program of short films that would fit that time allotment. Also, I made the choice to play only new stuff, and I thought that was a cool part of the night. I think we screened the very best of what we've made as a community since RECollection. Of course, that's a 100% subjective, and as I've said, it really does come down to my own opinion. As for other new things that could have been screened, specifically Little Red Riding Hood, I think LRRH is going to make an excellent short film once we do some more work on it. But it wasn't ready for that audience. They wouldn't have appreciated it, no matter how much I said it was a work in progress. They will though, one day!
As far as more constructive criticism for artists' contributions. I do my best. I could totally do more. But I also can't give constructive criticism to every contribution. That's the nature of this open-collaborative process. So I offer constructive criticism when I see potential for a record to blossom into something I'd really love. I also pay a lot of attention to how artists receive my comments, and whether I feel they're able to convert them into productive changes. "Taking a note" is a skill in and of itself. And yes, when certain artists do it well -- MattConley, MarieIv, Krrr, AndyClift, Day_Glo, and yourself -- to name just a few, I'm more likely to wanna engage with those artists. I know that's disappointing for artists to whom I don't offer constructive criticism. That disappointment is not something I can fix. All I can offer is genuine encouragement to keep trying. I've certainly received a TON of that exact disappointment over the years in my creative life, and I think a great deal of my success comes down to simple persistance.
Now as far as being more communicative in a general way, regarding what's going on with the company and stuff. I have indeed been falling short on that lately. Especially regarding the payment of contributing artists, which I mentioned earlier in this thread, and I plan on addressing more thoroughly soon. I really am sorry for that, and I do intend to make it right.
I won't offer any excuses. I'll only repeat, I'm doing my best. I think we're gradually building something that is generally going in the right direction. I certainly intend on continuing to refine everything about this production company. I want to keep making it better. That's why I do appreciate constructive criticism, and I don't think it's fair of you to say I've been dismissive. Obviously, I won't agree with everybody's points, and yes, my taste is subjective. But I will try to make myself and this company better at receiving input from the community and turning that input into productive changes.
Lastly I'd like to offer you my most sincere thanks for all of your work with hitRECord. Your contributions as an artist over the years are becoming a beautiful canon of their own, and all the while you've remained a model member of this community.
And in thneed, allow me an encore of gratitudinousness from the bottle of my art.
<3
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Also, thanks to the newbs leaving comments who were at the show. Glad you guys dug it :oD




