This is inspired by catsolen; what she said on her record It's the Little Things- Pete's Challenge. So wIth this, I wanted to keep this basic, raw, and kinda quiet, so that the voices can be heard.
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RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
Pickle Blossom remarked on January 24, 2010
Pour vous: http://www.hitrecord.org/records/34438
ALL of vous!
Through pain comes growth ::sniffle::
:^)
Pickle Blossom remarked on January 24, 2010
Pour vous: http://www.hitrecord.org/records/34438
ALL of vous!
Through pain comes growth ::sniffle::
:^)
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
Pickle Blossom remarked on January 24, 2010
Why yes I was smiling as I read it! And I would be happy to agree that this is the start of a lovely friendship. I think we're on the same page as to what makes art good or powerful and it is not always when it makes you smile, ya know. So I'm really glad you got where I was coming from. I know you've hit the heart on a number of my records and that always made me feel good, so I would have been upset if we hadn't cleared that up!
Actually, if I weren't so worried about having been rude to you I would have thoroughly enjoyed debating the definition of "art" and its merits. Maybe we should start a Collaboration in the vein of RE: Love. Cuz everyone has a different definition of "art" just like everyone has a different definition of "love."
What do you think?
Pickle Blossom remarked on January 24, 2010
Why yes I was smiling as I read it! And I would be happy to agree that this is the start of a lovely friendship. I think we're on the same page as to what makes art good or powerful and it is not always when it makes you smile, ya know. So I'm really glad you got where I was coming from. I know you've hit the heart on a number of my records and that always made me feel good, so I would have been upset if we hadn't cleared that up!
Actually, if I weren't so worried about having been rude to you I would have thoroughly enjoyed debating the definition of "art" and its merits. Maybe we should start a Collaboration in the vein of RE: Love. Cuz everyone has a different definition of "art" just like everyone has a different definition of "love."
What do you think?
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
We are more that good Pickle Blossom. I think this the start of a beautiful friendship! :) Thank you so much for taking the time to explain; and sharing a piece of your life with me. I'm glad if I was able to some way, some how, make you introspective, which is always a good thing in my book, since introspection leads to illumination.
Everything makes perfect sense to me now. In fact it would be kinda funny to read back through all of our posts! :) I love this place. I love that we can discover new things abt us and connect with other people in ways we could never imagine. :)
I hope you are smiling right now PickleBlossom as you are reading this, because I know I am right now as I'm just about to post this :) :) :)
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
We are more that good Pickle Blossom. I think this the start of a beautiful friendship! :) Thank you so much for taking the time to explain; and sharing a piece of your life with me. I'm glad if I was able to some way, some how, make you introspective, which is always a good thing in my book, since introspection leads to illumination.
Everything makes perfect sense to me now. In fact it would be kinda funny to read back through all of our posts! :) I love this place. I love that we can discover new things abt us and connect with other people in ways we could never imagine. :)
I hope you are smiling right now PickleBlossom as you are reading this, because I know I am right now as I'm just about to post this :) :) :)
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
Pickle Blossom remarked on January 24, 2010
Thank you Mushr and Metaphorest. I think I do need some help clarifying myself here. There is ABSOLUTELY no ill will on my part. And I'm sorry it came across that way. And I fully understand that you didn't mean any offense either, and I didn't mean to imply that you were being malicious, I actually assumed that if you were looking for an example of "material possessions" that you had chosen my footage cuz I make sparkly fancy clothes, not cuz you wanted me to look like a dragon!!
Actually, when I first watched the video, my initial reaction was that I was incredibly flattered you had included my footage with all that beautiful imagery. And now that you have said you liked the symbolism of the mask I am even more flattered. And what you said about the value of art being partly what thoughts/feelings it inspires in people is something I was going to mention as well. Because this all came about because I was lost in the thoughts that your artwork brought to mind and I didn't think enough about what I was typing.
So I'm sorry that I did not explain what I meant about "context" in my original post - which came off sounding like a negative comment when it was more an observation on how it made me think about the things I make. See, I make a living selling absurdly useless clothing - they wear it once - to people with more money than any one person should have. And they pay me enough money - for ONE dress - to house and feed a family for a month. And that is something I've always been conflicted about. I make materialistic, selfish people look beautiful. I have very mixed feelings about that. And your video - with the powerful content of Pete's challenge and the appearance of my objects with the statement about owning things - made me start thinking about that. But that's not a BAD thing. To me - and I hope to you as well - it is a sign of a powerful piece of art; if it makes you think - really think - about something. And this did. It reminded me that I make beautiful objects for ugly people to own. And it was the context that reminded me of that. And whether it was intentional or not doesn't matter because everyone will see their own interpretation, as you said. But I think the fact that your work made me think about an issue I have with MY work is a very positive thing, even though my personal issue with my profession is NOT a positive thing. Does that make sense?
So my opinion of your piece is very high! I just typed without thinking while I was lost in the other thoughts.
What I probably should have done was explain all that in my original post instead of leaving it at a glib remark related to what I was thinking. But I was so absorbed in the thinking, that it didn't even cross my mind that I should explain that I am not offended by what you made - I think it's beautiful and powerful - and then when I read what RKBear wrote I was a little confused at first, wondering what she was talking about, but then I saw what I wrote and realized it looked a little rude and I thought I should clarify what I meant by it.
But yeah, this is interesting that it turned into a debate sort of thing, and I do apologize for making you feel bad because I would never do that on purpose. But since this all has come up, I would be curious to parlay this - assuming we both now understand no animosity was intended on either part - into a conversation with others about their definition of art and its various intrinsic values. But where oh where...
I really miss the message boards. lol.
So are we all good now? Or did I make it worse? :^\ For a writer, I really suck at explaining things. LOL
Pickle Blossom remarked on January 24, 2010
Thank you Mushr and Metaphorest. I think I do need some help clarifying myself here. There is ABSOLUTELY no ill will on my part. And I'm sorry it came across that way. And I fully understand that you didn't mean any offense either, and I didn't mean to imply that you were being malicious, I actually assumed that if you were looking for an example of "material possessions" that you had chosen my footage cuz I make sparkly fancy clothes, not cuz you wanted me to look like a dragon!!
Actually, when I first watched the video, my initial reaction was that I was incredibly flattered you had included my footage with all that beautiful imagery. And now that you have said you liked the symbolism of the mask I am even more flattered. And what you said about the value of art being partly what thoughts/feelings it inspires in people is something I was going to mention as well. Because this all came about because I was lost in the thoughts that your artwork brought to mind and I didn't think enough about what I was typing.
So I'm sorry that I did not explain what I meant about "context" in my original post - which came off sounding like a negative comment when it was more an observation on how it made me think about the things I make. See, I make a living selling absurdly useless clothing - they wear it once - to people with more money than any one person should have. And they pay me enough money - for ONE dress - to house and feed a family for a month. And that is something I've always been conflicted about. I make materialistic, selfish people look beautiful. I have very mixed feelings about that. And your video - with the powerful content of Pete's challenge and the appearance of my objects with the statement about owning things - made me start thinking about that. But that's not a BAD thing. To me - and I hope to you as well - it is a sign of a powerful piece of art; if it makes you think - really think - about something. And this did. It reminded me that I make beautiful objects for ugly people to own. And it was the context that reminded me of that. And whether it was intentional or not doesn't matter because everyone will see their own interpretation, as you said. But I think the fact that your work made me think about an issue I have with MY work is a very positive thing, even though my personal issue with my profession is NOT a positive thing. Does that make sense?
So my opinion of your piece is very high! I just typed without thinking while I was lost in the other thoughts.
What I probably should have done was explain all that in my original post instead of leaving it at a glib remark related to what I was thinking. But I was so absorbed in the thinking, that it didn't even cross my mind that I should explain that I am not offended by what you made - I think it's beautiful and powerful - and then when I read what RKBear wrote I was a little confused at first, wondering what she was talking about, but then I saw what I wrote and realized it looked a little rude and I thought I should clarify what I meant by it.
But yeah, this is interesting that it turned into a debate sort of thing, and I do apologize for making you feel bad because I would never do that on purpose. But since this all has come up, I would be curious to parlay this - assuming we both now understand no animosity was intended on either part - into a conversation with others about their definition of art and its various intrinsic values. But where oh where...
I really miss the message boards. lol.
So are we all good now? Or did I make it worse? :^\ For a writer, I really suck at explaining things. LOL
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
@Rana Kan - I wanna hug you right now. I wish I could see you in person so I could do that. I love the gratuitous nature of art. How we can pick from it, what we need, what inspires us, what heals us so freely, and from that infuse this understanding and put it to use in our everyday lives to make us a more aware, wise, conscious, human beings, who is aware of our place in the world and how little we our compared to the over all scheme of things; and how precious life is, despite of our pains, sorrows and disappointments. Art- for the lack of better words to describe what this is-does this to me. & Nothing better allows me to harmonize myself with this idea than Pete’s challenge, which I have decided to take on to heart, in my own way.
This record is an expression of the acceptance of this challenge, which does in fact make me question the role that I play/ participation in my own existence. I have also been for as long as I could remember in quest of the sun, since I often times find myself in darkness. But when I write, and create, and mingle myself with other people’s creation, I sorta find that. :) I can’t fully explain everything that I want to say to you right now. But I want to thank you so very much, for your beautiful words of encouragements to me. You have inspired me to believe in myself. I value your creations so very much, and take delight in them. More than anything, I value your kind heart which is always full of encouragement to me, ever since I became a part of this place. Since I cannot give you a hug. I just hope these words find you where ever you are; & please know, that I am in them.
p.s. I don’t think I ever took down, yr email way back in V3, when we used to have private messaging! lol. If you can think of an idea we can message each other through some other means, then pls let me know.
Love always,
Imee
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
@Rana Kan - I wanna hug you right now. I wish I could see you in person so I could do that. I love the gratuitous nature of art. How we can pick from it, what we need, what inspires us, what heals us so freely, and from that infuse this understanding and put it to use in our everyday lives to make us a more aware, wise, conscious, human beings, who is aware of our place in the world and how little we our compared to the over all scheme of things; and how precious life is, despite of our pains, sorrows and disappointments. Art- for the lack of better words to describe what this is-does this to me. & Nothing better allows me to harmonize myself with this idea than Pete’s challenge, which I have decided to take on to heart, in my own way.
This record is an expression of the acceptance of this challenge, which does in fact make me question the role that I play/ participation in my own existence. I have also been for as long as I could remember in quest of the sun, since I often times find myself in darkness. But when I write, and create, and mingle myself with other people’s creation, I sorta find that. :) I can’t fully explain everything that I want to say to you right now. But I want to thank you so very much, for your beautiful words of encouragements to me. You have inspired me to believe in myself. I value your creations so very much, and take delight in them. More than anything, I value your kind heart which is always full of encouragement to me, ever since I became a part of this place. Since I cannot give you a hug. I just hope these words find you where ever you are; & please know, that I am in them.
p.s. I don’t think I ever took down, yr email way back in V3, when we used to have private messaging! lol. If you can think of an idea we can message each other through some other means, then pls let me know.
Love always,
Imee
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
Meta P- Ah! I just read your post just when I was about to post this. So I will add that, I certainly am in the hopes that I didn't offend PickBlossom in any way. I never, never want to do that to anyone :)
catsolen- Anytime. Thank you as well for sharing your perspective with us regarding Pete’s Challenge. It made me reflect a lot, in a good way. I’m glad I was able to contribute to this.
ManWithHat- This record would definitely be repetitious in nature since the format of Pete’s monologue is too. The visuals that go with this is my emotional/ instinctual/artistic response to this challenge. The best way I know how to express this would be through this record. Any explanation would be insufficient, I am afraid.
good_girl_indie- Thank Sarah, I love that HR projector.
InkedCanvas- Thanks for your kind words. That means a lot to me.
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
Meta P- Ah! I just read your post just when I was about to post this. So I will add that, I certainly am in the hopes that I didn't offend PickBlossom in any way. I never, never want to do that to anyone :)
catsolen- Anytime. Thank you as well for sharing your perspective with us regarding Pete’s Challenge. It made me reflect a lot, in a good way. I’m glad I was able to contribute to this.
ManWithHat- This record would definitely be repetitious in nature since the format of Pete’s monologue is too. The visuals that go with this is my emotional/ instinctual/artistic response to this challenge. The best way I know how to express this would be through this record. Any explanation would be insufficient, I am afraid.
good_girl_indie- Thank Sarah, I love that HR projector.
InkedCanvas- Thanks for your kind words. That means a lot to me.
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
Metaphorest remarked on January 24, 2010
Pickle - relaaaax hun. I think your post did come across as expressing offence, ie. a little sensitive.
Truth is these records - once there out there - are out there. Those Mushr has chosen to express that particular meaning (from the use of your record) another artist could concievably use a record in an almost any context, including that which is ironic!
Metaphorest remarked on January 24, 2010
Pickle - relaaaax hun. I think your post did come across as expressing offence, ie. a little sensitive.
Truth is these records - once there out there - are out there. Those Mushr has chosen to express that particular meaning (from the use of your record) another artist could concievably use a record in an almost any context, including that which is ironic!
RE: The Silence of Little Things ~ Pete's...
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
@Pickleblossom- First of all I want to say that I value your opinion, especially, since it's your resource that I used for this record. Actually, it was not my intention to depict your work, or yourself in that light, even within the context of this record. To me the value of art doesn't solely lie within the physical object that we create itself- but the thoughts and emotions that they can inspire from people which is of course open to interpretation. I was inspired by your footage to help me progress my vision along. And I really wanted to get a shot of that mask, since the symbolic meaning of a mask is so dynamic. I'm kinda shocked that this piece incited such a strong reaction from people but in a way I do take that as a compliment, since art speaks and is supposed to say something different to everyone. So Pickleblossom, I hope that my record was not a cause for any ill will. Rather, I’d like to think that it served as a sort of catalyst for constructive reflection on the intangible values of art.
mushr remarked on January 24, 2010
@Pickleblossom- First of all I want to say that I value your opinion, especially, since it's your resource that I used for this record. Actually, it was not my intention to depict your work, or yourself in that light, even within the context of this record. To me the value of art doesn't solely lie within the physical object that we create itself- but the thoughts and emotions that they can inspire from people which is of course open to interpretation. I was inspired by your footage to help me progress my vision along. And I really wanted to get a shot of that mask, since the symbolic meaning of a mask is so dynamic. I'm kinda shocked that this piece incited such a strong reaction from people but in a way I do take that as a compliment, since art speaks and is supposed to say something different to everyone. So Pickleblossom, I hope that my record was not a cause for any ill will. Rather, I’d like to think that it served as a sort of catalyst for constructive reflection on the intangible values of art.
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